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    Intervista sul setting di Nier, parte della timeline, Grimoire Nier (SPOILER!!)

    Visto che sono ormai al terzo finale di Nier e che trovo che il gioco abbia moltissimo da offrire a livello d'ambientazione (anche in termini di sequel\prequel) ho pensato di proporre anche qui la traduzione di un'intervista di Famitsu (alcune parti tradotte, altre riassunte, ma le informazioni dovrebbero esserci tutte) che spiega molte cose in merito al gioco ed alla sua ambientazione, compreso il vero rapporto fra Nier Gestalt e Nier Replicant.

    Di seguito posto anche la prima parte della timeline tratta da Grimoire Nier, il sourcebook sul gioco. A leggerla sembra criptica e bizzarra, ma se ho capito bene il riferimento (devo rigiocarmi Drakengard) c'è un auto-citazione che grida mindfuck XD Per il resto è talmente complessa (non tanto la prima parte quanto le porzioni successive relative alla prima metà del ventunesimo secolo) che lascia pensare alla possibilità di nuovi capitoli, possibilità che personalmente spero si avveri in fretta, basta vedere come il gioco si basi solo in minima parte su tutte queste premesse.

    Il merito delle traduzioni va ai rispettivi utenti di gamefaqs.

    Ovviamente praticamente tutte le informazioni sono super-mega spoiler, quindi a meno che non abbiate già finito il gioco leggete a vostro rischio e pericolo

    Origin of Nier:

    -SE producer Saitou originally wanted to make an epic RPG like the FF & SO series, but sometime during development, he changed his mind to "Let's make a 'very very' action-based game".

    -Yooko thought that Saitou still wanted an RPG, so he didn't take that comment to heart. Stuff comes out, you kill it. If I make a game like that, it could somehow fit into both genres...if I aimed for an action game from the start, the results might've been different. The fact that NieR has Towns is a testament to that fact.

    -Since we did our worst(tn:worst as in the situations the characters encounter, not the actual writing quality) in terms of plotline in DOD, we thought we'd do something different for NieR.

    About Ending D:

    -Yooko had the concept of save file deletion early on in development, but thought it'd be immediately rejected and shut up about it. Later when he told the committee of his idea, reception was a lot more positive than expected.

    -He wanted to make a 'strange game', so he didn't particularly fear the players' responses this and expected their opinions to be on two extreme sides. However, most people seemed fine with it, so he's both happy and confused. He thought that more people would stop playing at Ending A, but a lot of them actually continued to D. The comments of players overseas though, were pretty much what he expected, be it good or bad.

    -He thought one comment on NieR, that it was 'an ugly puppy', described the game perfectly. It's full of flaws and sometimes you just can't bear to look at it, but there's a certain charm about it that you just can't let go of.

    Secrets of the NieR world:

    -Father Nier's birthday is 9/11, the release date for DOD. Brother Nier's birthday, 6/6, was a placeholder they forgot to change. However, some people said that it was Brother Day, and Yooko just took that as the official settng.

    -1300 years later vs. 1400 years later. To counter the widespread disease, souls - Gestalts - were pulled out of bodies and put into Replicants. By changing the role of the Replicant, they can ensure the repeated survival of their souls. Replicant and Gestalt are not parallel worlds. But are distinct patterns in an ever-repeating world. The main character and Yonah are somtimes siblings, and sometimes father and daughter. The difference in time changes reflects that.


    -The story told in NieR is actually the second part of the settings I came up with, and the amount of deleted content in the first part is enough to fill up two games.

    -Back then, there were many copies of Grimoire Schwartz. GS was required for the Gestalt process, but back then there were no recorded cases of success, so many people were given copies of GS in hopes of running into a succesful case - maybe if they replicated the process of the successful case, they might consistently get good results. It was pretty much a large-scale human experiment. In the opening, Nier became the first case of successful Gestalt-fication, and the shades that attacked him were all failures. In hopes of helping Nier, Yonah also touched the GS, but...

    -Success is when a human could keep their consciousness after going through the Gestalt process - like the mother & child Shades seen in the second playthrough.

    -Actually, No.7 is a male that likes other males, but I was pretty surprised that it didn't carry over as well as I thought. Kaine's initital design was much more conservative as well, and Nier was originally designed with nobility in mind, but it just seems so out of place in his world, so they redesigned him.

    -All the grimoires were originally human, there are a total of 13 books. All of them are humans who went through the Gestalt process and had their souls sealed in books.

    Game system:

    -I wanted to make a strange game. So I mixed many different genres together. But it seems like the oversease reaction to sound novels were rather negative...apparently they don't like reading much. Unlike Japan, they don't even have the culture of sound novels.

    -The mansion level was too close to the game we were imitating, so we had to change it up a bit.(laughs) Neither Emil nor the butler are human, and they won't age. So to reflect time standing still, I gave the mansion a monochrome color palette.

    -Yooko was surprised that the programmers even added a drift system to the boar, but he liked it so it was kept. Young Nier moves a bit slower than father Nier or older Nier, because he has shorter legs.

    -The enemies' strength on easy or normal won't change in any playthrough, but in hard, they get stronger according to Nier's level. However, word and item drop rates have gone up.

    -Bosses and words were named after fairytales because of Nier's original plot. The basic premise is this: the world within picture books actually exist, and the heroes have to defeat the villains that came from the picture book. They were trying to revive their leader, so the heroes wanted to stop them. However, they have their own reasons. In the world of picture books, the same story is repeated over and over again, and the villains are doomed to be evil forever, and to suffer their punishment for eternity. A certain scientist realized this and tried to free them, but was defeated by the heroes. So, the villains tried to revive him, but of course, the heroes won't allow that.

    -Music in this game was inspired by some shooting games that Yooko played, and the composer was friends with him since their university days. I was slightly irritated that many users rated the music higher than the game.(laughs)
    Timeline (prima parte)



    June 12, 2003 - A mysterious giant and red dragon appear

    - At approximately 3:00 PM on June 12, 2003, an immense white statue (the "Giant") appears in Shinjuku [in Tokyo].
    - At the same time, a red dragon-like entity (the "Dragon") appears and does battle with the Giant. The principles behind, and effects of, these attacks are unknown.
    - The Japan Self-Defense Forces study how to attack this Giant and Dragon. An emergency Cabinet-level committee is formed.
    - At 4:00 PM, the Giant falls. What the Giant is made of unable to be determined, and at this time damage on the ground is comparatively light.
    - After the fall of the Dragon, the Scarface, of the Japan Air Self-Defense Force's 6th Air Wing, 303rd Squadron, attacks the dragon. Its body is secretly taken to a government research facility.
    - This incident becomes known as the "6-12 Incident". It results in 56 dead, 320 injured, and total economic losses of over 60 billion yen.
    - A gag order is issued regarding the events of 6-12, but by this time information is already leaking onto chanels such as the internet. Fears of terrorism and foreign plots swirl. Chaos.

    September - Summit held

    - Three months after the incident, an international summit (Japan, the USA, China, and Russia participating) is held regarding 6-12.
    - The USA suspects terrorism and prepares for a hardened stance against a hypothetical enemy. The Japanese government considers a large increase in the military budget.

    December - A mysterious infection

    - In Shinjuku, Tokyo, a disease appears in which victims' bodies gradually chlorinate. Its origins are unknown, and its fatality rate is 100%.
    - Research begins on this disease. At this time, the disease is believed to be very rare, only occurring under certain conditions. The outlook is optimistic.

    February, 2004 - An explosive increase in the number of infected and dead

    - Many more people become infected, mainly in Shinjuku.

    April - Infected people displaying berserk personality disorders begin appearing

    - Among the infected, some begin to go berserk. These infected gather in Shinjuku, causing a "hollowing-out" or deindustrialization of this region.
    - Various countries pressure Japan to make progress on the disease.

    May - Berserk people continue to appear in Shinjuku

    - More and more infected appear in Shinjuku. Research reveals that the disease creates people who go berserk, and people who die.

    June - The disease is named "White Chlorination Syndrome"

    - A medical group which has been researching the disease since December 2003 makes a presentation. They do not know what causes "berserking" and "death", but know that they stem from the same disease.
    - [Tokyo] Prefectural Hall [which had been in western Shinjuku] is moved. Porposals are floated to move [the national government in] Nagata-cho and the Emperor's Residence, but the Imperial Household Agency refuses.

    - Nagata-cho refuses to move, citing concerns about the ability to fill a quorum in the Diet

    July - Shinjuku's Danger Level is raised to 4

    - The danger level in Shinjuku reaches its highest level yet; transportation stoppages and ro*******s are seen

    September - Plan to seal Shinjuku announced

    - The Japanese government receives further reports of infection trajectories, and annouces a plan to physically seal off Shinjuku.
    - Opposition movements and protests on moral grounds begin. A newspaper survey indicates that the majority of respondents are opposed (but on the internet, most respondents are in favor).
    - In Shinjuku, a certain important person is attacked and killed by a person who has been infected by White Chlorination and has gone berserk. The mass media jumps on the story, and public opinion begins to trend toward sealing Shinjuku.

    October - Shinjuku Sealing Plan implemented; Wall of Jericho erected

    - An immense wall, later called the Wall of Jericho, is erected to physically seal Shinjuku away.
    - Announcement that forcible suppression of people made berserk by White Chlorination will continue. Opposing demonstrations occur in various countries, along with world-wide criticism of the Japanese government.

    December - Final pictures of inside the wall are leaked

    - Transmissions sent my members of the media who voluntarily remained behind the wall in Shinjuku are abruptly cut off. The final film is cut-off with a scream as a giant white being appears. This image is not released (but leaks through the internet).

    December 2005 - Transmission of WCS, then silence

    - The JSDF and vigilante groups continue to rout the berserkers. The number of berserkers begins to decrease.
    - The Japanese government announces that transmission of WCS infection has temporarily quieted; research on it continues.

    May 2006 - Truth behind WCS is discovered

    - Research results are presented to the government: whether the person infected with WCS will die or go berserk is determined at the genetic level. (The opinion is that people with slight irregularities in some chromosomes have a high probability of going berserk.)
    - This result is not announced publicly; rather, research continues in secret. (It is later revealed that this is a mistaken interpretation due to falsified data.)

    2006, month unknown - Attack on the research facility holding the dragon's body

    - An incident where the research facility is attacked for the body of the dragon is prevented by security, the police, and the JSDF.
    - Rumors swirl linking the incident to religious organizations or to North America. JSDF actions become extreme.

    October 2007 - Irregularity in aerial photography of Shinjuku

    - A strange black dot appears in aerial photographs of Shinjuku. (It is reported, but not considered important.)

    February 2008 - Fall of the Wall of Jericho; "Legion" and "Red Eye" confirmed; JSDF begins operation to defeat Legion

    - The Wall of Jericho in Shinjuku is destroyed from the inside. A sound like the one heard from the Giant on 6-12 is also confirmed here.
    - A large number of berserking white monsters (later called "the Legion") comes out from behind the Wall. They attack and kill humans in a disorderly fashion.
    - One monster with red eyes (called "Red Eye") is seen leading the Legion and keeping them in order.
    - The JSDF begin an operation to defeat Red Eye and the Legion.
    - The operation encounters difficulty as Red Eye successfully organizes the Legion

    May 2008 - WCS reappears

    - Infection spreads out from Tokyo (Shinjuku) to the rest of the Kanto area

    August - The facility studying the dragon is secretly moved

    - The research facility studying the body of the Dragon is secretly moved outside Japan. The new location is not revealed (a popular theory says that it is in America).

    September - Government and imperial residence moved to Kyushu

    - A decision is made to move the government and Emperor's residence out of Tokyo. They move to relatively-unscathed Kyushu.

    October - All of Honshu in Japan becomes a battlefield

    - Many more people die from sickness or become Legion. Battles between the Legion and the JSDF erupt all across Honshu; the situation resembles a civil war
    - More people flee to Kyushu and Hokkaido. As people try to flee the country, policies are enacted refusing entrants from Japan.
    - Crimes skyrocket amidst the chaos. The Japanese government is hampered by increasing interference from overseas.
    - A military alliance with America is suggested, but its terms are unfavorable to Japan; other countries advise against it.

    January 2009 - US-Japan Joint Operation Accord announced

    - Feeling unsafe materially and militarily, the Japanese government agrees to join military forces with America
    - The US takes Legion corpses and captives back to America for military use
    - The US Army arrives in Japan. Joining forces with the JSDF, the scope of the battle increases. The human side is winning.

    March - Plan to destroy Shinjuku implemented

    - In response to the limitless number of Legion coming out of Shinjuku, a plan to destroy it is considered.
    - Shinjuku is carpet-bombed, but only a slight reduction is seen in the number of Legion.
    - In America, progress continues in the research of Legion, but an effective method of stopping them remains unclear.

    April - Decision made to atom-bomb Shinjuku

    - The American and Japanese governments discuss a potential atom bombing of Shinjuku. The decision is made to drop the bomb.
    - The atomic bomb is announced. In Japan, opinions vary on both sides, but the rest of the world leans toward dropping it.

    August - Atomic bomb dropped on central Shinjuku

    - The atomic bomb is dropped on Shinjuku on August 6. The date is a coincidence, but the incident comes to be called "a second Hiroshima tragedy".
    - Shinjuku becomes the tipping point for more atomic attacks. All of Japan becomes a scorched earth.
    - Shinjuku, completely destroyed, comes to be called "Ground Zero".

    November - Total destruction of the Legion in Japan confirmed.

    - Scientific and other proof of the total extermination of all Legion in Japan.

    February 2010 - People turned to Legion spotted in China

    - Legion appear in China; berserk people attack others. This is the first appearance of Legion outside Japan.

    2010 Mar: WCS appears all over the world. Global pandemic situation arises.

    2010 April: Red Eyes remain.

    2014 Mar: Project Gestalt begins.

    2015: Gestalt process successful.

    2016 Feb: Luciferase developed to slow down the onset of WCS.

    2016 May: Young childs (10+) formed the Crusader group to combat the Legion. The first Crusader battle was fought in Brazil.

    2016 Dec: Hemelin Organization is formed to provide military training for the Crusaders, and lies to the public and hid the fact that the Luciferase cannot completely cure WCS.

    2018: The State Weapon Lab focused on the demonic element and inserted magic into human subjects. The project is codenamed Murasaki (purple).

    2025: Replicant technology is successfully developed. The Replicant is an alternate shell for the Gestalt, and is formed from data extracted from the Gestalt.

    2026 June: State Weapon Lab fails and withers away.

    2030: The first Crusader captain killed off the last Legion and died in battle. The Legion fell apart, but WCS is still spreading.

    2032: Information about Gestalt and Replicant technology is opened to public.

    2053: Nier and Yonah became Gestalt.

    (Replicants are left to repeat endless cycles to kill shades and reclaim demonic element)

    2746: Replicant developed their own consciousness, first that of a child, but eventually reaching adult level

    3000: Replicants developed civilization and culture. They are unaffected by the Gestalts, and created different ways of living according to different habitats. Their level of civilization is similar to that of the middle age

    3276 : The first Red Eye is reborn. A replicant who wishes for their (gender unknown, I’m using the singular “their” lover to be reborn has fought their way into a forbidden battle field. In front of the Red Eyes cocoon, the lover is actually resurrected. But the lover’s eyes are red. The replicant is killed.

    3278 : The Legion led by the Red Eye became a great threat. A certain robotic lifeform and four replicants stood up to their forces and won. Demonic element is rescover, and the Legion is completely eradicated. The world is finally purified.

    3288 : Gestalts slowly awakens, and wishes to re-enter their body. Yet these replicant now sees the gestalts as monsters and fought them. The conflict between the replicant and gestalt has thus begun. However, the Gestalts of some area managed to regain their body under the proper management of the androids.

    3300: The conflict between the body and the soul is become much more intense. Project Black Book begins. Shadow Lord Nier notices that his sister may not be revived within the time limit. Some Gestalts are going berserk (regardless of whether they have the Shadow Lord’s demonic element or not).

    3465: Replicant Nier, under the guidance of the twins, successfully obtained the White Book. The Twins decided that the Shadow Lord with the Black Book would be the executioner of the plan and become the savior. Yes the Shadow Lord does not believe in the Project Black book, and forcefully kidnap Replicant Yonah. He forcefully merged Replicant Yonah and Gestalt Yonah together, and plans to return to return to his own replicant body as well, but…

    The Shadowlord is defeated by his own Replicant. His sister is destroyed by the sunlight. Project Black Book, along with the Gestalt Project itself is a complete failure. The revival of humanity is a lost hope.

    The Original Gestalt is killed after his sister has died, meaning every single Gestalt will go berserk and die. Replicant, without reproductive capabilities, will perish. The production of replicant requires the Android and the information from their Gestalt, both of which are gone. The annihilation of Replicant is inevitable.


    Eventi immediatamente precedenti al prologo del videogioco e altri dati:


    Information gathered from Source #1

    The snow in the opening scene is SALT
    The song Snow in Summer refers to the floating salt in the sky. It is pretty scary if you think about it. Considering this is a world plagued with the White Chlorination Syndrome, then the salt would have to be powdered human remains.

    White Chlorination Syndrome and Shinjuku, Tokyo.
    As the red dragon falls, the plague begins. Incurable. Those who suffer from the disease will go berserk and attack others, and eventually turn into salt and die. Shinjuku is in complete lock down, and the streets are dead.

    Prior to the opening scene
    The brother is drifting the streets of Shinjuku. As his sister's food supply run out, a salvation group is supplying food and medical service to the refugees. Nier went to the organization with Yonah, without know that the organization's true intention is to gather subjects for experiments. The organization’s true goal is to find the “Original Gestalt” to support the Gestalt Project, a person that can retain their own self after the Gestalt transformation.

    Nier found out that the salvation group is not giving people food, nor medicine, but instead books. These are copies of Grimoire Noir. Those who touch the Grimoire Noir are forcefully transformed into Gestalt. Only the Original Gestalt can escape the fate of losing one self and becoming corrupted Shades. The organization plans to sacrifice countless refugees in order to find the Original Gestalt to support Project Gestalt.

    Nier knew something was wrong and escaped the organization with Yonah, but he wass ambushed by corrupted Shades in an abandoned supermarket. This leads to the beginning of the game. The despaired Nier made the choice to touch the Grimoire Noir.

    Project Gestalt and the birth of the Shadow Lord
    Nier didn't turn into a corrupted Shade after touching the Grimoire Noir as he is the Original Gestalt. He is the only successful case to retain his mind amongst countless failed experiments.

    What is the Project Gestalt? It is humanity's last hope/attempt at surviving the White Chlorination Syndrome (I'm gonna call it WCS from now on). The Gestalt process separates the body from the soul, and the soul portion is called Gestalt. The World Purifying Commission manages to fool and control Nier with the lie "we will freeze your sister body for one thousand year in order to stop Yonah, who has touched Grimoire Noir, from progressing into a corrupted Shade". Nier is to provide his "Demonic Element" (I've checked the original Japanese text, it could be magic element or demonic element, and I just went with demonic for now). This demonic element is only carried by the Original Gestalt, and allows non-Original Gestalts to maintain their sense of self. This allows more people to be able to avoid WCS and avoid losing their mind through the Gestalt process.


    Replicant and Yonah
    A thousand years have passed, and the technology to stop the corruption of Gestalt is still not available. Knowing that his frozen sister cannot be saved, and seeing Replicants developing a sense of self, the Shadow Lord/Original Gestalt/Nier became enraged.

    Nier decided to forcefully insert his Gestalt Yonah (the original Yonah's soul) into Replicant Yonah in a reversed Gestalt process, in the hopes that her sister will not become a corrupted Shade.

    Yonah's Black Scrawl
    Why did Replicant Yonah develop the Black Scrawl? It is due to the fact that the information used to create the replicant body is based off of the corrupted original. There is a direct relationship between the Black Scrawl and corrupted Gestalt.

    The Twins and a world filled with Shades
    The "humans" (Replicants) sees Shades as monsters, but the monsters are people who have participated in the Gestalt Project in order to escape from the WCS. They only attacked Replicants because they are becoming corrupted Shades, and the corruptions stems from the Shadow Lord's rage.

    Devola and Popola, the managers of the replicant eco system, understood that Nier's rage of not being able to save his sister is causing all the Gestalts to become corrupted. One of the responsibilities of the Twins is to wait for the day that the Gestalts and reunite with their bodies, through the fusion of the black and white books.

    The Story of Nier (Replicant)
    As the Shadow Lord loses control, the twins attempted to speed things up and merge the black and white books before all Gestalts are corrupted. The mysterious power from the fusion of the books will allow all Gestalts (souls) to enter their Replicant (Body) again. As such, the twins steered Replicant Nier towards working with Grimoire Weiss and collected the Sealed Verses, something that must be done before the fusion of the book can happen.

    What ended up happening is that Grimoire Weiss's awakening was overly violent, and thus he lost part of his memories, and becoming allies with the Replicants. This was never intended in the in the plan.


    Glossario\Altri Dati:

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    Information from source #2
    This part has some small overlap from source #1, but I think it’s best to leave everything intact. This one seems to be quite different from the other sources that I have read, but it kinda fits with the other sources as well.



    The Giant and the Dragon
    On June 12th, 2003, a giant and dragon suddenly emerged in the skies of Shinjunku. The two fought an intense battle, and the giant fell at the end. Japan's Self Defense Force attacked the Red Dragon to avoid further catastrophe. People later found an unknown particle called Demonic Element, a source of the White Chlorination Syndrome. It was also recorded that a young man rode on the dragon's back, but this information cannot be verified.

    White Chlorination Syndrome
    People who developed the WCS either die or become killers who attack random people. These berserk patients are later called “Legion”.

    The Wall of Jericho
    In order to stop the spreading of WCS, the Japanese government erected a wall around the Shinjuku area. The name is a reference to the to the Book of Joshua form the Bible.

    Legion
    WCS patients who manage to stay alive become extremely violent. Their bodies become much more powerful as their intelligence drop, and they attack anyone who has not contracted the WCS. The patients do not always retain their human form, and may transform into monsters. WCS can be seen as the curse of a foreign God. Those who defy this god will die. Those who accepts this god will become Legion, and accept the mission to reduce the world to the nothing. This Foreign God is the God from Drakengard.

    Red Eye
    A Legion who is highly infected with the Demonic Element. The Red Eye is different from the normal Legion in that he is able to retain his intelligence, and can lead the army of Legion in their mission of ending the world. The Red Eye’s existence is comparable to Manah from Drakengard.

    Multiple World Theory
    By studying the remains of the Red Dragon, scientists have concluded that that there are multiple worlds. They have also found a mysterious particle named demonic element, and can develop magic from it.

    Gestalt
    By using magic, people have developed the technology to extract the soul from the body, and the name of the soul is called the Gestalt. While it is possible to evade the WCS by becoming a Gestalt, the Gestalt will slowly lose its intelligence and sense of self and become a corrupted being. It is only later that they have found a way to deal with this flaw. At the beginning only rich people can pay for Gestalt healing process.

    Luciferase
    A type of drugs used to treat the WCS. It cannot suppress the symptoms, but can at least delay its onset. The drug works the best with younger users. Most members of the Crusader use this drug.

    Hemelin Organization
    The Crusaders are a group that find and trains people who can fight the Legion. It was supposed to work with the Gestalt Project with the World Purifying Committee, but as more corporations become involved, the Crusaders have become more secretive.

    State Weapons Laboratory (I am too tired to find the proper English name for this)
    In response to the founding of the Hemelin Organization, the Japanese government started the State Weapons Laboratory to strengthen its military power. Halua and Emil are magical weapons created by this organization.

    Replicant System
    By extracting data from humans who have undergone the Gestalt process, copies named Replicant (with no reproductive abilities) are created. To make it easier to manage the replicants, they are given an artificial personality. When the Gestalt and its corresponding Replicant combine, the original person would be restored. Replicant did not have a true sense of self at first, but they developed it after countless resurrections. The Black Scrawl is developed in the replicants because the data source (Gestalt) was already corrupted.

    Project Gestalt
    The World Purifying Committee’s true goal is to make every human go through the Gestalt process, and leaves the job of fighting the Legion to the replicants. When the WCS and legion problem is taken care of, the fusion of the Black and White books would transport the soul back into the replicant bodies.

    Project Black Book
    Part of the Gestalt Project. 13 Sealed Books are created through magic, with the Black Book and the White Book being two of them. The power from the fusion of the two books will forcefully return all Gestalts to their corresponding Replicant.

    Corrupted Form
    The corruption of Gestalt was a huge blow to Project Gestalt. The World Purifying Committee performed experiments on the masses in order to find the vaccine (demonic element). Nier and Yonah are two of the unlucky guinea pigs.

    Every subject is given a copy of the Black Book. After Nier seeing the first person becoming a Gestalt, he quickly escaped with his sister. At the end, they are both forced to undergo the Gestalt process. While Gestalt Nier managed to retain his sense of self, the weaker Yonah experienced corruption immediately. In order to protect his sister, Nier accepted the World Purifying Committee’s proposal to become the Original Gestalt and supply demonic element to everyone. This allows his sister to be cryogenically frozen for a thousand years.

    A thousand years later, Gestalt Nier/Shadow Lord realized that no advances were made, and choose to act on his own. At the same time, the occurrence of corruption has increased greatly, and the twins think that this is related to the actions of the Shadow Lord. Not being able to stop the Shadow Lord, they could only guide Replicant Nier to begin retrieving the Sealed Verses, and prematurely initiate the Project Black Book.

    This series of mistakes seem to be created by one of the programmer. This programmer thinks that the Replicant should the true ruler of the world.

    Osservazioni di Emil da Grimoire Nier (per lo più scemenze, ma le copio\incollo per completezza)

    Emil’s Observation

    This part is less faithful to the original source, but the whole thing is for the lulz anyway


    The Red Book
    Right right! This book! The naughty book that flies around in my library. It uses magic to fly all over the place, it’s so dangerous… Good thing my petrifying power could help. Though I still couldn’t find any information to fix my eyes, as the book only contained the location of my sister. Speaking of which, at that time I didn’t know I could go on an adventure with Nier and the others. And why does the book look some much like Weiss? Nah, I’m just overthinking it.

    Gretel
    A shade that resides in the Lost Shrine. Nier and the other seem to have fought him once. But it’s only my first time seeing it. That head is so big, I wonder where the body is. If the upper body is the face, then it has no belly. Or if the whole thing is the body, then the eyes are its chest… And what about the head? Oh this is so hard to figure out…

    Jack, the monster that attacked young Nier’s village
    I heard a very deep footstep of the giant Shade all of a sudden that day. Strange, when I asked Nier and Kaine about it afterwards, they both said they couldn’t hear it. This Shade is formed by multiple snake-like Shades combined one by one. It looks so much like spaghetti! Do you guys like spaghetti? I love Fettuccine alla Salmon and spicy spaghetti! My butler Sebastian cooks the best spaghetti, you should all come and try it!

    The wolf king Roc
    This Shade is very strong, but I put in a lot of effort in defeating it too, because this guy killed the kind Fyra. But the fact that he can gather up so many wolves is amazing. Is this what they called charwolfsma? (there is a bunch of silly puns afterwards that I am not even gonna try and translate).

    Hook, the Shade that killed Kaine’s grandma
    Even if Sebastian gave me some information on it, I still don’t know much about it because I didn’t fight it myself. Still, it’s really disgusting.

    Emil’s sister Halua
    It’s thanks to my sister that I am still alive today, so I have got to pick myself up. It would make my sister sad if I were to give up. Please continue to protect me sister, my soul co-existing with sister… forever.

    Kaine
    Right, that one time Kaine was going berserk as the Shade was taking over. That was really, scary, like three times as scary as usual. What? No no, not saying that you are scary all the time, that is more like a nice version of “scary”! No no no don’t draw your swords come on Kaine don’t joke you are so awesome NO NO NO STOP IT THAT’S REALLY DANGEROUS!!!!!!!!
    Ultima modifica di Magnvs; 5-06-2010 alle 09:24:42

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    Titoli in gioco:
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    Tutta roba interessantissima, grazie mille! Io devo ancora trovare il coraggio di farmi le quest di pesca prima di completarlo più volte ah, attento al finale D: salva su una chiavetta usb o perdi tutti i salvataggi

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    Tutta roba interessantissima, grazie mille! Io devo ancora trovare il coraggio di farmi le quest di pesca prima di completarlo più volte ah, attento al finale D: salva su una chiavetta usb o perdi tutti i salvataggi
    Giocandolo su X360 ho copiato su Pc i save dopo averli messi su usb key, per poi ri-trasferirli su X360 in modo da poter completare l'ultimo finale. Non so se il reinserimento da pc a chiavetta a X360 funzionerà, però XD

    In ogni caso personalmente ti consiglio di evitare le subquest grindose sull'upgrade delle armi e su pesca\agricoltura, rischi di spezzare il ritmo del gioco ed in ogni caso, anche volendole fare, è consigliabile riservarle al new game ++ dove hai delle parole che aumentano di molto il drop ed hai accumulato oggetti nel corso delle varie partite. Personalmente le ho bellamente ignorate (salvo quella relativa al prendere tutte le armi, fondamentale per sbloccare i finali C e D) ed avendo appena visto il quarto finale sono più che soddisfatto.

    La cancellazione dei salvataggi nel corso del finale D è anche resa in modo decisamente "forte", ed è un momento che da una parte colpisce narrativamente e dall'altra per come riesce a rompere la quarta barriera.

    In ogni caso leggendo bene tutti i dati su trama e timeline emerge chiaramente come ci sia materiale per almeno tre giochi (accennano anche al party di uno dei periodi precedenti!), mentre in merito ai finali di Nier
    Spoiler:
    è desolante rendersi conto di come le azioni di Nier, Kainé ed Emil abbiano condannato l'umanità all'estinzione, impedendo ai Gestalt di incarnarsi nei Replicant e privando i Replicant della possibilità di continuare a perpetuarsi grazie al lavoro degli androidi ed ai dati dei Gestalt.


    Poi sono quasi sicuro che uno dei finali di Drakengard si colleghi direttamente all'inizio della timeline di Nier, mi sa che lo rigiocherò per controllare di persona i possibili riferimenti :P

    Ultimi titoli finiti:
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    Titoli in gioco:
    Europa Universalis 4, KoFXIV

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    Giocandolo su X360 ho copiato su Pc i save dopo averli messi su usb key, per poi ri-trasferirli su X360 in modo da poter completare l'ultimo finale. Non so se il reinserimento da pc a chiavetta a X360 funzionerà, però XD

    In ogni caso personalmente ti consiglio di evitare le subquest grindose sull'upgrade delle armi e su pesca\agricoltura, rischi di spezzare il ritmo del gioco ed in ogni caso, anche volendole fare, è consigliabile riservarle al new game ++ dove hai delle parole che aumentano di molto il drop ed hai accumulato oggetti nel corso delle varie partite. Personalmente le ho bellamente ignorate (salvo quella relativa al prendere tutte le armi, fondamentale per sbloccare i finali C e D) ed avendo appena visto il quarto finale sono più che soddisfatto.

    La cancellazione dei salvataggi nel corso del finale D è anche resa in modo decisamente "forte", ed è un momento che da una parte colpisce narrativamente e dall'altra per come riesce a rompere la quarta barriera.

    In ogni caso leggendo bene tutti i dati su trama e timeline emerge chiaramente come ci sia materiale per almeno tre giochi (accennano anche al party di uno dei periodi precedenti!), mentre in merito ai finali di Nier
    Spoiler:
    è desolante rendersi conto di come le azioni di Nier, Kainé ed Emil abbiano condannato l'umanità all'estinzione, impedendo ai Gestalt di incarnarsi nei Replicant e privando i Replicant della possibilità di continuare a perpetuarsi grazie al lavoro degli androidi ed ai dati dei Gestalt.


    Poi sono quasi sicuro che uno dei finali di Drakengard si colleghi direttamente all'inizio della timeline di Nier, mi sa che lo rigiocherò per controllare di persona i possibili riferimenti :P
    Che sia collegato a Drakengard è ovvio, sta pure scritto nelle cose che hai incollato tu (Drag-on-Dragoon lo citano, difatti).
    Vorrà dire che prima di fare tutte le subquest mi vedrò anche il finale B, giusto per variare un po'.
    Spoiler:
    Ma Emile non è affatto morto è un peccato non abbiano mostrato che fine fa nei finali C e D, dove l'evoluzione quasi romantica del rapporto fra Kainé e Father sembra piuttosto improbabile, considerando il fatto che durante tutta l'avventura li si è sempre visti in un contesto amichevole nato dal reciproco rispetto per l'abilità sul campo di battaglia - non dimentichiamo che sono due guerrieri - . Io ho sempre pensato che Father vedesse Kainé come una figlia più che come una donzella da sbaciottare :0


    Ora mi tocca procurarmi i drakengard, sigh

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    Che sia collegato a Drakengard è ovvio, sta pure scritto nelle cose che hai incollato tu (Drag-on-Dragoon lo citano, difatti).
    Vorrà dire che prima di fare tutte le subquest mi vedrò anche il finale B, giusto per variare un po'.
    Spoiler:
    Ma Emile non è affatto morto è un peccato non abbiano mostrato che fine fa nei finali C e D, dove l'evoluzione quasi romantica del rapporto fra Kainé e Father sembra piuttosto improbabile, considerando il fatto che durante tutta l'avventura li si è sempre visti in un contesto amichevole nato dal reciproco rispetto per l'abilità sul campo di battaglia - non dimentichiamo che sono due guerrieri - . Io ho sempre pensato che Father vedesse Kainé come una figlia più che come una donzella da sbaciottare :0


    Ora mi tocca procurarmi i drakengard, sigh
    Intendevo che non mi è chiaro quanto sia profondo il legame fra i due giochi, all'epoca non visionai tutti i finali di Drakengard, ed essendo passati parecchi anni ho dimenticato buona parte dei dettagli relativi all'intreccio :P

    Comunque in merito
    Spoiler:
    al rapporto fra Kainé e Nier imho è Kainé ad essersi innamorata (tant'è che durante la scena del suo sfogo dopo la presunta morte di Emil è lei a ritrarsi disorientata quando si rende conto che stava per baciarlo, oltre al dialogo con Tyrann durante l'ultimo scontro), mentre il modo in cui Nier vive la cosa è lasciato più nel vago, legittimando sia l'idea che si sia invaghito di Kainé sia quella che la veda come una figlia, o una combinazione delle due cose. Quando Emil gli chiede se si risposerebbe e lui sfugge alla domanda non si capisce nemmeno se abbia inteso quel che probabilmente Emil sottintendeva.

    Poi anch'io avrei avuto piacere nel vedere qualche altra scena su Emil, o sul futuro di Kainé e Yonah, ma viste le pessime prospettive per i Replicant dopo l'eliminazione di Nier Gestalt e di Popola\Devola forse è meglio che la vicenda si sia chiusa così. Il povero Emil probabilmente è destinato a rimanere per secoli e secoli in solitudine in una terra abbandonata priva di Replicant e Gestalt, una prospettiva ben poco esaltante :\
    Ultima modifica di Magnvs; 5-06-2010 alle 16:52:00

    Ultimi titoli finiti:
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    Secondo voi quale il vero finale del gioco? A, B,C o D? Oppure il vero finale l'insieme di tre (A+B+C o A+B+D)? Anche se in quest'ultimo caos c'e' un leggera forzatura nella timeline??


    In spoiler i finali di Drakengard
    Spoiler:

    Finali [modifica]

    A seconda di come si procede nella storia e di quali scelte verranno compiute, si otterranno diversi finali. Qui sono elencati i cinque finali del gioco e gli avvenimenti che portano ad essi.
    • Finale A: L'angoscia di un tetro messaggero
    Boss finale: Manah

    Se dopo la morte di Furiae e il combattimento con Inuart, Caim e il dragone scelgono di dirigersi verso la capitale dell'Impero e fermare Manah, riusciranno, infine a liberarla dall'incantesimo degli dei. Disperata, Manah supplica Caim di ucciderla, ma l'uomo la ignora, costringendola a vivere per sempre con il suo rimorso. Ora non resta che trovare una nuova fanciulla da sacrificare per il ruolo di dea, per salvare il mondo dalla distruzione, e il drago si offre come nuova custode del sigillo. Mentre Caim piange per il peso che l'amica sarà costretta a sopportare, ella gli svela di chiamarsi Angelus, dicendogli che è la prima volta che rivela il suo nome ad un umano. Questo è forse il finale più positivo del gioco, ed è quello da cui prosegue la storia in Drakengard 2.
    • Finale B: Fiori su una breccia aperta nel cuore
    Boss finale: Furiae

    Caim e il drago seguono Inuart che vuole mettere Furiae in uno dei Bozzoli della Rinascita, incurante che questo potrebbe portare alla fine del genere umano. Inuart riesce a sfuggire a Caim e mette il cadavere di Furiae in un Bozzolo. Furiae rinasce sottoforma di un orribile mostro che uccide immediatamente Inuart. Dopo che Furiae rimane nuovamente uccisa in uno scontro aereo contro Caim, il mondo viene invaso da migliaia di copie della versione mostruosa di Furiae (presumibilmente uscite ognuna da un Bozzolo), che porteranno alla distruzione del genere umano.
    • Finale C: L'addio di un compagno perduto
    Boss finale: Angelus

    Caim e il drago seguono Inuart che vuole mettere Furiae in uno dei Bozzoli della Rinascita e lo sconfiggono. Intanto Manah usa i poteri ricevuti dagli dei per controllare tutti i draghi del mondo e usarli secondo il volere degli dei, ma uno di questi uccide la bambina. Intanto il Drago Rosso di Caim si trasforma in Drago del Caos e, dopo aver fatto intendere a Caim che i draghi sono stati creati dagli dei per distruggere gli esseri umani, rompe il patto con lui (restituendogli così la voce) e lo attacca (anche se malvolentieri). Sconfitto il drago, Caim inizia a distruggere i Bozzoli, ma il mondo è oramai invaso dai dragoni, impegnati nello sterminio dell'umanità. Guidato dalla sua sete di sangue, Caim si getta in quella che è forse la sua ultima battaglia.
    • Finale D: La sconfinata delusione di un bambino ingannato
    Boss finale: nessuno

    Caim e i suoi compagni riescono a raggiungere Manah prima che uccida Furiae. Seere cerca di riportare alla ragione la sorella, ma alla fine, resosi conto che Manah è irrecuperabile, ordina al suo Golem di ucciderla. Distrutto lo strumento degli dei, il mondo viene invaso da pericolose creature simili a enormi statue di bambini, più una Bestia Madre che si piazza nella capitale dell'Impero e inizia ad assorbire il Tempo, cosa che mette a rischio le sorti del genere umano. Dopo che Arioch e Leonard vengono uccisi dai mostruosi bambini, Seere decide di fermare la Bestia Madre intrappolandola nel Tempo che egli racchiude dentro di sè, anche se questo significherebbe intrappolare anche lui. Caim e il dragone trasportano Seere verso la Bestia Madre e il bambino salta sopra di essa. Mentre Caim e il dragone vengono uccisi dai bambini-mostro, Seere invoca il perdono di Manah e rilascia tutto il tempo imprigionato dentro di lui. Seere rimane per sempre bloccato nel tempo e nello spazio insieme alla Bestia Madre, ma il suo sacrificio ha salvato l'umanità.
    • Finale E: L'epilogo della sfera dei dragoni
    Boss finale: Bestia Madre
    Caim e il dragone decidono di non sacrificare Seere e si gettano contro la Bestia Madre, con la quale vengono assorbiti in una distorsione spazio-temporale. Si ritrovano nella moderna Tokyo, che il drago suppone essere la terra degli dei. I due iniziano la battaglia contro la Bestia Madre. Sconfitto il mostro, Caim e il drago vengono subito uccisi dai razzi un caccia dell'aviazione giapponese. Il cadavere carbonizzato del dragone rimane infilzato su una torre di Tokyo.



    Quello che si ricollega all 'inizio di Nier dovrebbe essere il finale E. (anche se quello ufficale, da cui prende piede il secondo capitolo della saga, è l'A)
    Ultima modifica di ArgentoSoma; 7-06-2010 alle 15:48:56

  7. #7
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    Scusate, ma voi come avete ottenuto i pinkmoonflower seeds? °_° Non riesco a trovare il modo di tirarli fuori dal mio giardinetto

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    I fiori non li ho neanche guardati; cmq c'e' una guida nella prima pagina del topic ufficiale nella sezione PS3.

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    Perdonate il disturbo: Magnvs, avrei bisogno di parlarti. Riesci a metterti in contatto con me tramite MP o email? Ho provato a mandarti un MP ma hai la casella piena. Scusate ancora l'interruzione

    R.
    What a Bore.

  10. #10
    Stesso problema di prima!

    (perdonatemi di nuovo!)

    R.
    What a Bore.

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    Magnvs è un po' come Dio: lo invochi, ma non è detto che ti risponda


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    Ho finito la prima parte e sono rimasto a bocca aperta...! Storia e personaggi tra i migliori che ho visto nei jrpg degli ultimi anni!
    Completed:
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    Che bel lavoro, grande Magnvs (hai un nick difficile da memorizzare Q_Q'''').

    Ci ho rigiocato, dopo averlo completato qualche settimana fa in tutte le attività varie, e devo dire che spero vivamente escano dei nuovi titoli Cavia legati a questo gioco. Vendono dei CD/DVD musicali, o anche in formato digitale, con l'OST da qualche parte? Vorrei tanto comprarli -_____-

    P.s. Vorrei aggiungere il materiale della timeline sull'OP di NIER della Sezione Playstation World, ovviamente citandoti come autore del materiale. Posso ?
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    Tratto del Grimoire Noir il finale E

    Spoiler:

    Ending E - The Lost World

    incomplete summary from chinese forums and blogs


    Kaine continues to have nightmares after Nier disappears, with the feeling that she has lost something precious. Kaine remembers saving a girl named Yonah from the Shadow Lord’s castle, and that the shade Tyrann is gone for unknown reasons. But every time she thinks back to that moment, there is always something flashing before her, but dissipating right away.

    The troubled Kaine feels like taking out her bad mood on some Shades, that’s why she goes to the Forest of Myth after hearing about presences of shades there. When she arrives, she notices that the forest has become something entirely different. It no longer looks like a forest, but instead a fusion of forest and machines, with power cables covering the ground like tree roots, and every steps filled with slick green machine oil and sap.

    Kaine manages to arrive at the most eye-catching tree in the forest, and suddenly, the vine-link cables or the cable-like vines tangles together in the shape of a young man.

    “Hello, I…”

    Before he could finish, Kaine has already lopped his head off. The body falls apart, and is reformed in another area.

    “How violent. Allow me to introduce myself. I am (random code), the overseer of this forest.”

    “(random code)?...” Kaine paused. The young man continues: “ You don’t understand the language my name is in, so call me anything you like, whether it is the “overseer” or “young man”. You probably have a lot of things you don’t understand right now. So what do you want to know? 1) About the forest, 2) about me 3) about the future. Pick one.”

    Before Kaine could answer, the young man has started his explanations already. First, about the Forest of Myth, it is the terminal computer where the ancient people studied the demonic element and quantum physics. The young man said the area is entering it’s final phase, and the shut down sequence has already begun.

    As the young man continues his explanation, swarms of P-33 drones rushes in and attacks Kaine.

    On to the second point. The mysterious young man claims to be an existence similar to that of the Grimoire Weiss. He controls all the demonic element, the live and death of gestalts and replicants, and the information of everything within the area.

    A P33 humanoid robot appeared as most of the P33-drones are taken out. Kaine remembers fighting that thing in the Junk Heap, alongside with someone… but who was it?

    “That’s the most important person to you? If you can defeat these kids, I’ll tell you why you are here, and the person that you cannot remember,” the young man laughs as he summons a robot that looks exactly like Kaine.

    “The third point – the future. Like I said, this world is a failure. We don’t need robots and humans, and I have lost my reason to exist”

    Emil (with an unexplained extra pair of hands) appears out of nowhere and joins Kaine’s battle against the robot Kaine. Emil notices that the tree is the source of power of everything, and the two concentrate their attacks at the enemy’s core.

    The scenery, the trees, the ground, the human face dissolves into a giant puddle.

    “Using the power of magic to fuse machines, human and plants together, this is the truth behind this world! Amazing! Amazing! A replicant like you can reach this level! Amazing!” The young man babbles on as he dis spears.

    Power cables are whipping around in the wind as a storm as formed. Emil protects Kaine as she approaches the magical power source. She just keep on slashing her sword in the overpowering white light. Then suddenly..
    Everything quiets down, as though she has arrived at the border between reality and a dream world.

    Kaine feels that something important is in front of her, she tries touching it, and can vaguely tell that it is a shape of a person.

    “…..ine…. don’t….”

    Tears flow on Kaine’s face.

    “…….go back….. do not………. come here….”

    “……don’t…..”

    She grabs on to it as it slips away, losing something important again.

    "This is pissing me off! This is my life! I decide how I’ll live! I don’t need anyone telling me what to do! It’s my decision to die for you as your sword!"

    Kaine cries out of fear of losing that important thing again. She is angry at how powerless she is.

    "I must, I must, I must get it back!
    I’ll get it back no matter what price I have to pay!"

    Someone pushes Kaine from the back. Kaine used this to help her move forward.

    “Stop screwing around. How can you just disappear all by yourself! I am the one who will decide what the meaning of my life is! I get to do whatever I want with my own life”

    “GET BACK HERE YOU #$#$@$#@$@#$@#$ BASTARD”


    ……
    ………

    The white light dissipates, and the clear blue sky reappears.

    The Forest of Myth disappears. Replacing it is a giant techno-organic flower. From afar, it resembles the Lunar Tear. At the stamen, Kaine is holding a person that is important to her.

    This person that she is used to see, this kind person is in deep slumber.

    Emil floats closer.

    Kaine looks up to the sky, thinking back to how someone helped pushed her forward within that white light, when she clearly heard “I’ll leave this guy to you, lingerie woman---”

    They meet again.

    An Emil with a slightly different body, an older Kaine, and a younger version of “him”..

    Yes… His name is…




    Questo il link alla traduzione http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgvmkf89_228fxgghgg3

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    Visto oggi l'ultimo finale T__T

    Mi sono letto tutto quanto, alla faccia del setting, c'è materiale per diversi altri giochi... Mi sono anche immaginato un third person shooter ambientato a Shinjuku contro i Legion
    La spiegazione delle due versioni del gioco che "esistono entrambe" però secondo me non è convincente, una scusa un po' raffazzonata per giustificare una scelta esclusivamente dovuta a motivi "commerciali". Nella scena che si gioca all'inizio si controlla l'originale Nier no? Quindi dovrebbe essere uguale in entrambi i giochi, non il padre in una versione e il fratello nell'altra

    Ma la situazione dei Cavia qual è? Sono stati assorbiti? Stanno sviluppando qualcosa? Nier è stato davvero una grandissima sorpresa, ma sarebbe un peccato "sprecare" un setting del genere per un solo gioco

    p.s. mi è arrivato Drakengard
    Ultima modifica di Kawato; 1-09-2010 alle 15:28:18
    SO SAY WE ALL!



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